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[Lady Lilya]

There is a big difference between being "ok" with murder and torture and rape vs wanting to understand what mechanisms in our society cause the formation of murderers and torturers and rapists. 

There is a big difference, but it is hard for a lot of people to grasp. 

When I visited StormFront to try to understand what makes people become like that, a lot of people couldn't accept that i was not accepting their view.  I was trying to understand it. 

I got nasty comments on the WRH forum saying that it was being too nice to SFers to try to understand them.  As if I were doing it for them, and not the rest of us.  Or that by acknowledging that there was a reason behind it, I was accepting that SFers are human, when I should be considering them not to be human. 

[royster]

Isn't it about time to re-name this thread? It was started on fictitious accusations, and if the thread is to remain, it should at least be stripped of it's deception.

I made a menu for the Reading Materials board. No more, and no less. Insinuating that these are topics I personally endorsed is yet another example of Crow's mud-slinging. The ridiculous accusations from Crow that followed are ludicrous.

Worse, others enabled him.

Peter, can you PLEASE rename this thread? Or, if you're feeling lucky, let me moderate "No Time".

[Lady Lilya]

Didn't the discussion afterwards clear it all up?  By leaving it all as it is, with its conclusions, makes it very clear that you didn't select a reading list based on your personal feeling about them.  I think we can just leave it all as it is.

[royster]

Thanks, LL. I'll go with the voice of sanity.

Ghosts are best dismissed by confronting them for what they are, not what they attempt to project.

Sorry for bringing it up. Thanks again for level-headed resolve.

[falnangl4u]

Life, with our experiences, actions, feelings, response, etc., make up who we are.

We live, feel, learn, accept, and as we do all, we grow, and become more...

It's not always pleasant, it's not always easy, but somehow it usually is good...

[Lady Lilya]

Roy,

Sunday is a holiday on FaceBook called Thomas Jefferson Quote Day.  So I was looking up things he said, trying to find a favorite to post.  I stumbled upon this one:

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
Thomas Jefferson

[Mugwort]

Here's one I like, especially in view of the invasion of Iraq:

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."
   (Notes on Virginia, 1784)

[Lady Lilya]

Excellent, Muggy.

I also like this one:
Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.

And this one:
Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.

[Mugwort]

   "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legimate object of good government."

   "Offices {political} are as acceptable here as elsewhere, and whenever a man has cast a longing eye on them, a rottenness begins in his conduct."

And here's a fine argument against the notion that corporations should have votes, like individuals:

   "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."